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  Aethiest

  by midnight in

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  what happens if you openly declare you are an aethiest, i don't mean go round forcing my view on everyone , but when pressured to go to the kingdom hall etc you stated you are an aethiest and no longer believe in god , surely you can't be accused of apostasy as you simply don't believe in anything ?

  anyone experienced this ?.

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  Nathan Natas

  Midnight asked, "What happens if you openly declare you are an aethiest...?"

  You learn how to spell the word correctly.
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  Scientology: A War Without Guns' on ABC News 20/20 Tonight

  by Gayle in

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  ‘scientology: a war without guns’ airs on abc news’ ‘20/20,’ friday, january 6. posted 1/5/2017 .

  ‘20/20’ reports on ex-members of the church of scientology: those who are crusading against it and others who still practice outside the church .

  actress leah remini sits down with anchor dan harris to discuss her fight against the church.

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  Nathan Natas

  Thanks for the "heads-up"!

  Leah Remini was in Scientology for most of her life before she experienced her own crisis of conscience and woke up.

  She has NEVER been one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so why would she "come after the Watchtower"? As GREAT as she is on Scientology, she has no JW-cred.

  The best we can hope for, I think, is that Leah and Mike ally with former members of other destructive cults like the Moonies (Steve Hassan) and the Dubs (Barbara Anderson) for example, and that this anti-cult coalition works to change the laws that give religious organizations the protection that permits these religions to persecute and torture former members of these cults.
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  help me think like an elder

  by Homer notsimpson in

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  ok guys, i have been tasked to ask for your opinions regarding this case.. and be honest.

  my brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago, they never dated, and she got mad at him.... she got engaged and the engagement ended in august.. she attempted suicide, then talked to the elders an told him she was gonna tell on him too, now that was in august, the sister told my brother that since she didn't know his hall they couldn't do anything.. we found that doesn't seem right, so hes been freaking out, but ita now two days away from 2017 and the elders haven't speaked to him yet.. why could that be?

  could they give him all this time to confess?

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  Nathan Natas

  HOMER NOTSIMPSON said, " My brother sexted a girl a little over a year ago..."

  His name wouldn't be "Carlos Danger," would it? He should keep his weiner in its bun.

  But his defense is easy-peasy; all he has to do is INSIST that he didn't do it and explain to the elders how easy it is to "spoof" an email, and he should be off the hook. As a bonus, the girl may be asked to explain why SHE would bear false testimony and fabricate her evidence by spoofing an email. She'll be in water so hot she will be soup in three minutes.

  "Brother Danger" may find himself invited to be a ministerial servant so he can join the good ol' boys 'round the cracker barrel at the back of the Kingdom Hall, spiritually speaking.
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  Scientology series, Leah Remini

  by nonjwspouse in

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  i did a quick search on this topic here and didn't come up with anything.

  if anyone has the chance to watch this a&e documentary series on scientology hosted by leah remini it is very very good.

  the parallels are just to obvious to ignore!

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  Nathan Natas

  NONJWSPOUSE said, "I did a quick search on this topic here and didn't come up with anything..."

  Did you take the time to press "enter" after you entered your search terms?

  Here's a bit of what I just got:

  
  

  
  

  One useful tip to doing searches is to START with the least number of search terms; notice I used only "Remini", not "LEAH REMINI AND MIKE RINDER EXPOSE THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY."

  Here is what a bad search gets you:

  
  

  
  

  If using ONE WORD results in too many hits, add additional search terms one at a time...
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  The JW governing body are all overweight, creepy looking little men

  by jambon1 in

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  having seen a few of these tv productions and some youtube clips of their assembly parts, how can jehovah's witnesses really take these silly little men seriously?.

  you take one look at them; their overweight, fat little bodies.

  their entirely shabby, overhanging suits.

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  There are few things that please Jah more than a fattened calf or a saggy triceps.
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  Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

  by NikL in

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  my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

  not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

  at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

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  Nathan Natas

  I too am finding "Scientology and the Aftermath" completely FASCINATING in several ways.

  First, there is the shared experience - both XJWs and XCoSs dealt with the cognitive dissonance that always comes before we make a mad dash for the exits; the strange looming awareness that "something is not quite right" in the thing that just a day ago seemed like the ultimate path of truth. It is very easy to empathize with the pain and heartbreak of those who are subjected to "disconnection."

  Second, I realized that I knew very little about the teachings of Scientology -- like WHY THE HELL do they use a cross-like symbol of the church? I found the explanation interesting...

  First, Christianity does not have an exclusive claim on the cross -- the cross was used by humans since before they were modern humans -- it is just an "X" -- so get over the feeling that the CoS "has no right" to use -- or abuse "your" cross...

  ...and it may be "abuse," because the 8 pointed cross used by Elron (I'm joking) Hubbard is derived from the cross used by L. Ron's buddy, Aleister Crowley. There are multiple levels of meaning concealed in the 8-pointed cross, ranging from the simple mundane 8 points of the compass that L. R. H. was so familiar with, he being a sailor. Then you can look at the CoS cross as a 4-pointed Christian cross with an "X" laid over it, harkening back to Hubbard's explanation that there was NO jesus, so let's just "X" him out...

  Me personally? I'm not a Christian, so I have no emotional ownership issues with the cross. I just think this is a great example of how something that LOOKS LIKE one thing can actually mean the exact opposite of what the uninitiated might think it means.

  In regard to some other CoS teachings, I would say they appear to be AT LEAST as ethical or "moral" as Watchtower/JW teachings. No drugs, no alcohol, many really valuable and helpful (in my opinion) psychological ideas -- better than Watchtower/JW teachings by a long shot, and that is due to the fact that LRH was an intelligent modern man and not an Israelite goatherd or "upper crust" member of the Jewish priesthood, who were not very much higher than cavemen when you get down to it.

  During the most recent show Leah and Mike discussed the CoS forcing abortions and divorces on people, and this I found repellant.

  I am curious about the CoS teachings regarding human sexuality issues, and I am always amused to hear how the CoS has a love/hate relationship with that whole "Xenu" mythology, which they mix up with their other teachings, tiny marshmallows and canned fruit cocktail into a hilarious theological Jello Salad.

  Yummy!

  I admire Leah and Mike for taking the stand they've taken, and I fantasize about having them meet Barbara and Joe Anderson to discuss the "apostate" experience.

  I have read that Mike Rinder has his own Scientology organization, and I'm curious about what CoS teachings and organizational practices he would throw overboard (to keep with the naval set dressing).

  Some of the things that Leah, Mike and their XCoS guests have related, like Karen telling about how her son was having sex with a 40 year-old woman, and how that same son died very young and she was not permitted to see his body -- these stories made my head explode.

  I hope Leah and Mike see their hopes fulfilled and that somehow a way will be found to stop the damage being done by these CULTS to an end.

  
  
  
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  You Have Been Looking Forward to This for a Long TIme - October 2nd 1914

  by steve2 in

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  2. beliefs

  picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.

  suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.

  he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!

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  Nathan Natas

  Prologos, I was trying to stay in the flow of Steve2's opening post:

  "PICTURE yourself as a member of the Brooklyn Bethel family on Friday morning, October 2, 1914... "

  
  
  
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  Greetings and would like some advice about a potentially fun idea

  by towerwatcher in

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  hello fellow apostates!

  my first post and a long time lurker here.

  i would like to thank all of you for the existence of this board as this has been instrumental for me in leaving the place i once knew as "the truth".

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  Nathan Natas

  I'd be willing to bet a nickel right now that most of the people offering their insights and advice have NO EXPERIENCE whatsoever with actually undertaking such a project.

  Sure, it SOUNDS like a fun project right now. How much of your personal wealth do you want to tie up in box after box of t-shirts stacked in your garage that racoons will use for bedding material? But wait! There's a BONUS! Racoons can carry parasites that will make you look forward to death!

  So it's not ALL downhill!

  OK, back to the nitty-gritty bottom line - or close to it:

  Small, medium, large, extra-large, 2x-large, 3x-large (6 size groups)

  men's, lady's and child's size categories (3 categories)

  long-sleeves, short-sleeves, sleeveless, tank top, hoody, baseball style, etc (6 or more groups)

  how many titles? Let's say four, just four starts.

  how many colors? let's say four...

  Multiply 6x3x6x4x4 = 1,728 shirts

  This will give you ONE of each of the above shirt possibilities.

  THIS is why you want to do a project like this using Cafe Press.

  That's what I have done with my t-shirt and other designs.

  If you go with Cafe Press, you still will sell almost NO shirts, but you won't lose YOUR shirt doing so, and the consequent bitterness will be almost palatable.

  Go ahead, challenge me - dare me to reveal some of my experience in this field. i continue to maintain that the majority of your other advisors here have done NOTHING except form opinions about what you should do.
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  You Have Been Looking Forward to This for a Long TIme - October 2nd 1914

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.

  suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.

  he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!

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  Nathan Natas

  "One hundred twenty more - wait for 2034!"
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  need to "stay alive to xx75" to prove wt wrong? again?

  by prologos in

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  you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!

  and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.

  does the "generation" prophecy of math.

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  Nathan Natas

  In deeper Dubdom, "Math" can mean either "Matthew" (although everyone else abbreviates it "Matt") or "Mathematics," even though what they are doing is Arithmetic (and they are not even good at that).